[ last update: 12.21.2014]
The (new) Cadillac Database©
The Cadillac V16
Part 5c
Roster of Survivors
Series 38-90, 39-90, 40-90
1938-1940
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I am looking for more photos of surviving sixteens of 1938-1940
[ if possible, please always include the engine/chassis and body numbers ]
Regular Production Models [in ascending numerical order of styles] [
from "9039" through "9057" - Miscellaneous ]
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9039 | #3 |
5270100 | (1938)
This one was for sale in 1983. Terry Wenger identified it as this body style and
number. It belonged to the late Stanley Long of Seattle, WA. He always registered it in
the directories as a Formal Sedan, but it really was a "Formal Town Sedan". It
had a division window and was owned by the owner of Matson Ship Lines in CA. Currently
(3/2006) it is owned by Al Sandin of Palm Springs, CA and is for sale. It is probably a
one-of a-kind 9039 as it has a division window and a leather top.
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9039 |
#8 |
5270178 |
(1938) This information is from the current owner (2002), CLC member Terry Wenger. Terry was a great help to me in identifying some of the cars listed here. This one was shipped originally to Don Lee Cadillac in CA. It was Chantel blue (combination #8). As near as its present owner can determine, it was owned in the Lodi, CA area and was serviced in Placerville, CA. It was re-painted black, probably in the 50's. One owner, Ben R. Taylor of Reno, NV, sold this car to Charles Jones of CA. Gordon Nixon of Saskatchewan, Canada owned it in 1976. Around 1986 it was brought back to Wyoming then to Indiana where Terry owner bought it. It was nearly complete but needs a total restoration, which is now under way. It came with a second, bare engine block #5270124. |
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9039 | #10 |
5270016 | (1938)
C. Houston, Jr., MI [CLC Directory, 2002] who has owned it for many years; he told
me he had swapped a restored '40 La Salle 52 sedan for it.
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9039 | #17 |
5270283 | (1938) In the early sixties, the owner was listed as L.H. Diamond of Colorado Springs, CO. This one was for sale in Hemmings last summer by Odyssey Motors in MN. The car was in CA in 2003 and was owned by Wm. Verhulst, according to Terry. Late extra (3/2007): the car was acquired at the end of 2005 by Rick Tarnutzer who was going to undertake a full restoration. Later (4/2012): the car was Lot #S95 at the Mecum auction of the Sterling McCall Old Car Museum collection, held in Texas on 13-14 April 2012. Chris Cummings reports that it sold for $74,200, which includes the buyer's premium. |
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9039 | #7 |
5270036 | (1939)
Enthusiast Terry Wenger recognized this car as belonging to Robert
Gossieaux of Belgium, in 2003.
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9039 | #6 |
5270052 | (1938)
Seen in Self Starter for March, 2004 (p.21), the car was said to belong to CLC
member Herb Lewenthal. Terry Wenger says it is currently [2007] owned by Gateway
Canyons Auto Museum in Gateway, CO.
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[Photo: Rich Taylor]
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9039 | #9 |
5270187 | (1938) The original engine was #5270137; it was replaced by the current engine. CLC member, Brad Ipsen, the present owner [February, 2000] acquired it in 1996. It was originally shipped to Columbus, OH and then diverted to Central Cadillac in Milwaukee, WI. It was shipped on December 31, 1937 and apparently was not built to order and had no special equipment. The car was originally painted Fairhaven Blue (light blue) and was subsequently stripped on all outside surfaces and repainted a dark blue (Antoinette Blue?). In view of the quality of the work, probably it was done either when the car was new or shortly thereafter. It may have been painted the darker hue to ensure a sale. It was formerly owned by a gentleman in Canada. The front clip had been removed as was also the engine. The current owner suspects that these parts were used to make a non-authentic car (V-8 convertible) or repair another one. Correct V-16, non side-mount fenders were reinstalled, as well as the correct grille. The original hood was still in place. All other parts were not correct on the front clip. This car was missing many parts and is in very bad condition. The new owner is in the process of restoring it [it would be interesting if a car with engine serial #5270137 ever showed up again!] |
9053 | #3 | 5270176 |
(1938) According to my dear friend, Katie Robbins, who has owned the car since 1964, the first owner was a lumber baron in the American north-west. Later it was acquired by a doctor in Iowa, then by Jack Tallman, another friend and Cadillac dealer in Decatur, IL. He sold it to Katie, who lives in Dearborn, MI. I was honored to be driven in it - with Katie at the wheel - in 1978! I took the photo below (left) in 1994, while on a visit to Detroit for a book project that never materialized. This survivor appears on the late Bill Tite's listing, but without the body number. |
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9053 | #4 | 5270174 | (1938) Was owned by the late Roy Warshawsky, IL. |
9053 | #5 | 5270279 | (1938) J. Muricy, Brazil [CLC Directory, 2002] |
9053 | #7 | 5270275 |
(1938) According to Terry Wenger, this car was owned formerly by movie mogul, Darryl Zanuck, then by renowned collector, Otis Chandler and now by Gary Glazier, WA. It was originally green and fits the description of car #1 [engine #5270174], above. It is pictured in CCCA Bulletin #3, April 2002. It is listed also in the CLC Directory for 2002. Cadillac aficionado, Jeff Stork [1938 V-16, style 9019 #36, above], wrote: The car was originally a rather bright green with a dark green top. It passed into the hands of 20th Century Fox and the current owner has California registrations from 1947 and 48 to verify. From there, it went to the Movieworld [Cars of the Stars] Auto Museum in Buena Park, where outdoor storage ruined the paint and top, so it was repainted black and a black top fitted. There are thin spots in the paint where the bright green may still be seen. The current owner says that the car has a 4-page build sheet with many special features such as green tinted rear interior hardware, and both rear radio and smoking set, one stacked over the other. The interior is in good original condition. After the Movieworld auction, it passed through the LaRue Thomas collection in Los Angeles and another owner, before Otis Chandler. |
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9053 | #8 | 5270300 |
(1938) [special fastback, special top material] At the time the late Bill Tite prepared his list of survivors, in the early sixties, this one was owned by Ed Ray Smith of Valley Stream, Long Island, NY. It was seen in the Self-Starter for Nov.-Dec. 1967, p.9. At that time it was owned by the late Dave Ficken of Babylon, Long Island (NY). It was Jay Friedman ['49 fastback coupe] who informed me, in March 2000, that Dave had passed on; he believes the car is still around. Terry Wenger told me in Fall 2003 that Dave had replaced this car's original engine with #5270201 from a style 9023 (car #41, above) that he previously owned. Dave's widow, still owns the car. |
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9053 | #11 | 5270310 | (1938) In his book Fleetwood - The Company and the Coachcraft, writer James J. Schild mentions a 1938 V-16 Town Car as having been delivered to the Vatican for use by the Pope". I believe Jim is referring, in error, to the car below. The original owner was not H.H. the Pope but Italian Countess Rosario de Larrechea de Schiffner. She paid $7620 cash for it in 1938. The engine number is listed in error on the shipping documents as #3270310; that is a V-8 engine serial number assigned to the Series 75 cars. The Countess' car was painted Antoinette blue; it was first shipped to General Motors Near East, S.A., in Alexandria, Egypt. From there it was shipped, unboxed, to Naples, Italy, aboard the S.S. Excalibur that sailed on August 24, 1938. From there it was delivered [probably driven] to the Countess' "home" at the Hotel Ritz in Paris. The Countess used it regularly for trips between her Ritz apartment home and Rome, where her two daughters lived. When she passed in 1948, her daughters donated the town car to a family friend, Cardinal Spellman, later of New York. He left it at the Vatican garage in the Holy See where it is said to have been used on occasion by H.H. Pope Pius XII [there is no documentary evidence]. It was acquired in the fifties by Valerio Moretti, of Rome (see Self-Starter, Jan. 1967, p.12, then/and (???) by Nicola Bulgari of jewelry fame, also of Rome. In an RM auctions catalog in 2012 (?) it was said: In 1966, to make room for a more modern fleet, some of the older Vatican cars were sold, including the Countess’s Town Car. As confirmed by a signed document in the file, it was purchased by Nicola Bulgari, well-known collector and Vice Chairman of the family jewellery firm. In the mid-1970s, Bulgari sold the car to a French businessman, Noel Lambert, owner of a trucking company near Lyons. The car was indeed acquired by Noël Lambert, head of a trucking company and owner of the former old car museum at St. Marcel-les-Valence, south of Lyon, in France. In the mid-eighties, harassed by the new socialist regime in French, he closed his museum and sold the V-16 to a Swiss collector, Mr. Amman of Aarau. Subsequently it was acquired at auction, in Geneva, Switzerland, by French auto dealer, J.-F. Dumontant. The [Christie's?] auction catalog listed it as a 1939 [actually, 1938] Cadillac V16 Series 90 Ceremonial Town Car from the Vatican, used by Pope Pius XII; it was said to have been one of the last cars built in 1939 [it is #11 of the 11 units built in 1938]; a sister chassis [V16?] went to Harry Truman when he became the 33rd US President [that was in April, 1945]. The RM catalog states further that ... The first ten years' history of this car is unknown... although said history has been fully documented since the sixties and I supplied it to Mr. Lambert in the early '80s. In addition, it is stated that ...it was then delivered to The Vatican City in Rome during 1949 for ceremonial purposes with His Holiness Pope Pius XII ["they" (who?) would delivere a 11-year-old USED car to H.H. the Pope???] and ...Upon the death of Pope Pius XII in 1957 [in fact he died in October, 1958] the car was used by one of the Cardinals and then gracefully retired into the Vatican Museum. It was described as a very rare Fleetwood Town Car; one of only ten built, whereas 11 units were built, this one being #11. This is all typical, partly inaccurate hype to sell am "interesting" V-16. Mr. Dumontant told me he had bought the V-16 from Bulgari, circa 1988, but at that time it was owned already by Mr. Lambert. Mr. D. advertised the car for a while as a 1939 model, at a price of FFr.700,000 (circa $180,000); at that time it was located near Toulouse. It was next seen at Hershey, in October, 2000 (with a PA phone number on the windshield that I called on October 12, 2000; from the tone of the person who answered the phone, it was obviously the wrong day for me to call; nevertheless, my call was returned some time later and we had a long conversation about the car; it was still the low-mileage original I saw in Valence. In Jan. 2001, it was acquired by Richard BeGuhn of Indianapolis, IN; I supplied Mr. Beguhn, at the time, with the full, known history of the car, and with photos and copies of the invoice and shipping documents. Dick called me February 3, 2001 and we had a long chat about this car and others he has owned; in fact, two of these are mentioned in the Dream Cars section of this Cadillac Database. BTW, I was surprised when Mr. Beguhn published the story of this car in the CCCA's The Classic Car [Winter 2001 issue] without acknowledging nor even mentioning that he had got from me the bulk of the documents, photos and information he published. I had kindly supplied him with More photos of the so-called Vatican V-16 can be found on this page. The car was next heard of in 2006, in Missouri, where it was owned by the late John Berra. Aficionado and V-16 specialist, Terry Wenger, told me it might be for sale once again. Late extra [Nov., 2006]: the car was reported sold at a recent Kruse auction (2006) for $270,000 (a far throw from the $200 paid by Bulgari in 1966!); the new owner was the noted Texan lawer and car collector, John O’Quinn. Sadly, Mr. O'Quinn died on October 29, 2009, when the car he was driving (not one of his many "collector cars") struck a curb, in wet weather, crossed a grassy median and three lanes of oncoming traffic, and crashed into a tree; many of his excellent collectibles were later dispersed at auction. Latest [2011-2012]: my daughter attended the RM auction at the Villa d'Este venue on Lake Como on May 21, 2011; the Q'Quionn car was sold there for €134,400 (circa $176,000) ... much less than O'Quinn had paid for it. On May 9, 2012 I met with another noted car collector; he said the new owner of the "Vatican" car was re-purchased ... by Mr. Bulgari himself. I shall try to obtain more details. The most recent description of the car is this one: A highly original example, this Cadillac has been nicely preserved. The paint presents well, and there are no major flaws in the brightwork. The roof covering over the passenger compartment may also be original. The rear compartment is upholstered in brown cloth and shows no significant wear. There is a matching brown carpet on the floor, and jump seats fold up from the floor for the sixth and seventh passenger. The chauffeur sits on black leather, and the dashboard is clearly original with an odometer showing nearly 63,000 kilometres, just 12,000 of them reportedly covered in the last 45 years [N.B. the odometer reading, in 1966 (I have a photo), when the car was in the possession of Mr. Bulgari, showed 62,348 kms, so it appears to have been driven only around 500 kms - and not 12,000 - in the last 45 years]. The car has been in climate-controlled storage since its acquisition by the O’Quinn Collection. |
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9053 | ? | ? |
(1938) This former MGM studio car [it is not the Zanuck car], was owned in the seventies by John Roget, of Bell Center, OH. In fact, this car could be the same as #4, above, owned by the late Roy Warshawsky, IL. |
9053 | ? | ? |
(1938) Offered for sale by John Geary, in the Fall of 1959 ..., "returning to college, must sell, $1500" |
9053 | #4 | 5290107 | (1939) Is reported to have resided in Canada at one time and was owned there by Louis Gravel of 347 Metcalfe Ave, Westmount, Quebec, Canada. A subsequent owner was R. Aubin, also of Quebec. The town car was later offered for sale at Auburn, IN, in Aug.-Sep. 1995 by the Kruse auctioneers. It went to CA and was reported there in 2003. This model is one of only five built in 1939; it is reported to have a bar with an original crystal decanter, as well as the original front and rear seat radios and the umbrella. Accoring to V16 enthusiast, Wenger, in 2005, it was owned by Gen. Wm. Lyon, in CA. Earlier history (found in 2013): I have it from Pierre Gravel, President of the Cadillac Club of France, that the car was once owned by his uncle, the afore-mentioned Louis Gravel. Pierre recounted that in 1966 he and his father had particpated in a CCCA "Caravan" in Quebec. His uncle Louis was driving the car. Pierre believed it was sold later at Hershey ( ... or was it Auburn, as mentioned above?) He recalls that Ms. Geneviève Keyaerts of the renowned Keyaerts museum in Touraine, France, had attended that sale. The photo below (and the enlarged view) were taken at the Gravel home, La Malbaie, in 1967. |
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9053 | ? | ? | (1939) R. Kughn, sold at auction in 2002 for a reported $135,000. This one had a body-off restoration. It was built new for GM's Executive Branch (the original build sheet was included) |
9053 | #3 | 5290089 | (1939) G. Cochran, WA [CLC Directory, 2002] |
9053 | #1 | 5320038 | (1940) The original owner was Eddie Cantor, the singer-showman and is featured in Roy Schneider's definitive Sixteen Cylinder Motorcars. The car is slightly customized by Derham of Rosemont (small, oval rear window). In the roster prepared in the early sixties by CLC member the late Bill Tite, the car is shown [with the second engine number] as belonging to J.C. Biscayart of Culver City, CA, then Roy Simpson of TX. According to Terry Wenger, this car is documented but the whereabouts of the documents are not currently known. Late extra (5/2005): According to enthusiast, Len Sholes, both 1940 V-16 town cars currently (5/2005) are in the hands of one collector [both belonged for some time to instrumentalist-vocalist, Neil Young, formerly of the group Crosby, Stills Nash and Young]. Even later [5/2005]: Enthusiast and collector, Hank Howard, says: I recently located one of the two 1940 V16 town cars, style 9053. It is for sale and I am negotiating to purchase it. I noticed while scanning through the V16 section that you mentioned that this particular body style is an all time favorite of yours. I am contacting you to let you know that if I am successful in my purchase, I will forward pictures of the car so that you can add it to the V16 section for all of the V16 fans to see. I am also wondering if you can suggest several V16 experts that I might contact for restoration questions. The car is mostly together and even has a rebuilt engine, but needs a full restoration as it is all original and neglected. I am a member of the Cadillac -LaSalle club, but at the moment have no directory. Terry Wenger gives the 2005 owner as Wayne Grafton of Langley, B.C., Canada. Later still (1/2008): This car is being offered at auction (lot #47) at the Gooding & Co. auction in Scottsdale, AZ, on Jan. 19, 2008 (estimated between $150,000 and $200,000). In the auction catalog it is stated that Eddie Cantor ordered the car in 1940 without the standard jump seats, so that a small piano could be installed in the rear compartment. Chris Cummings supplied this latest information [thanks, Chris!] and says that the car looks like a well-preserved original. Later still (12/2009): Chris, who keeps an eye on the V-16 market for me, informs me that the Cantor car is now being offered for sale at a fixed price of $95,000 by Gullwing Motor Cars, Inc. They describe it thus: 1940 CADILLAC V-16 OPEN FRONT TOWN CAR. Black with tan broadcloth in rear and black leather in the front. This is one of only two V-16 Town Cars that were built in 1940. 1940 was the last year for Cadillac"s Flagship V-16 and these two cars cost approx. 20% more than the next most expensive American cars made that year which was the V-16 Convertible Sedan. This car has 95 % original paint .The interior is 100% original and still in very good condition. It has had a new top installed and the front and rear chrome have been replated. The car also comes with much documentation and a known ownership since 1970. It has been known since the early 70s as the Eddie Cantor car and it is very likely that the entertainer was the original owner. The car also belonged to Singer/Songwriter Neil Young for close to 30years. The mechanicals have recently been serviced and new tires installed. It runs and drives well and is very useable as is. Even later (2010): The car is currently listed to CCCA members, Sonny & Joan Abagnale. Latest (Feb. 2012): The car was offered for sale at auction on Ebay. |
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9053 | #2 | 5320026 |
(1940)
Two were built in
1940 and both have survived according to enthusiast, Doug Houston . This one was offered for sale in C&P (circa 1975) by
Lowell Stuckman of Pontiac, MI. The asking price at that time was $8000. Interestingly,
one of the two was originally built as a 7553 (V-8 model town car). It had not yet
been sold. An order came for a series 90 town car from somewhere in Florida.
There was a 9033F there, also unsold. The two cars were brought to the factory and the
power trains for the two cars were swapped, the chassis and engines re-serial marked, the
trim changed as well as the belt moldings and other details changed on both cars to make
them outfitted correctly. This data came from the factory records for the town car and was
kindly shared with me by Doug. He believes that the invoice for the "donor"
9033F will carry similar detailed instructions. Terry Wenger gives the prior
owners as L. Stuckman, R. Simpson and Neil Young; he says the current 2005 owner is
Wayne Grafton of Langley, B.C., Canada, who also owns car #1, above. Terry has copies of
the factory invoices and conversion order for this car.
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9057 | #6 | 5270165 |
(1938) In 1999, this car was owned by Robert Robin of S. California in 2003 |
9057 | ? | 5270188 |
(1938) This car was formerly owned by the late, great comic, W.C. Fields (1 of 2 that he owned). Currently (2005) is is owned by R. Shelso of AZ |
9057 | ? | ? |
(1938) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was reportedly owned by Harry Goldman of Baltimore, MD. |
9057 | #1 | 5290022 | (1939) T. Nelson, OR [CLC Directory, 2002] |
9057 | #2 | 5290051 |
(1939) Lots
#659 and #682 at two different Kruse auctions, this one is burgundy in color and is said
to be the only one known to exist [in fact, four of them are listed here ...unless they
are all one and the same car!]. This is a CCCA "Junior" and
"Senior" first place winner. It was restored by Fran Roxas of Alsip,
IL. It was reportedly sold for $132,500. This (or a similar car) was offered for
sale by J.C. Leake, Muskogee, OK, in June, 1995; car was reported in MO in 2003 where it
was offered for sale.
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9057 | #4 | 5290091 |
(1939) NEW, 06/2014: Ross Morgan from Perth, Australia, writes: This 1939 Cadillac 2 Passenger Coupe was purchased along with other cars and parts from a Masontown, Pennsylvania collection in October 2011. The seller was a prolific collector of classic cars and parts (not just Cadillac’s) and it was only his advancing age that probably prompted him to sell. The coupe was originally ordered with paint code “58”, Ox Blood Maroon and optioned with 6 wheels (two side mounts), license frames, vent. heater and Goodyear Lifeguard tubes. It was shipped in January 1939 to Lone Star Oldsmobile & Cadillac Co, Dallas Texas. The coupe is on a 141 inch wheelbase. After a nut and bolt, body off restoration, the coupe was completed in May 2014. The color was kept as Ox-blood maroon. The engine is very quiet and smooth and although there’s no power steering, not only is it easy to drive with the column shift, it’s a real pleasure too. Ross added these comments: (a) I took my 1939 9057 coupe out for a night time run (first time) last Friday [images below]and it performed beautifully. This car drives very straight indeed – if I take my hands off the steering wheel, it runs straight as a die. Thanks to the Syncromesh gearbox, 2nd and 3rd are smooth and there is no crunching at all ... so all in all, I’m very happy with the car! (b) I took the 9057 for a long drive yesterday (Sunday) on the highway (freeway) and it cruises nicely at 60mph (that’s the speed limit on the freeway). I don’t have to steer, its wheel alignment must be perfect because it’s easy to control. |
[ All photos: © and courtesy of the owner ]
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9057 | ? | 5290106 |
(1939) Five of these were built in 1939; all five have survived according to enthusiast Doug Houston who owns one of them (see below). This one was for a while in the Harrah collection, in Reno, NV. Later owned by William Krantz, OH, it was featured in an AQ article.The engine number is included in the listing prepared by CLC member the late Bill Tite in the early sixties. The car belongs now to Chicago Motor Carriage, LLC. From a reliable source I am given to understand it is now painted black. |
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9057 | #6 | 5290108 |
(1939)
May be coming up for sale as part of an estate [9/2005]. It was possibly sent to England
according to Terry Wenger. Is (or may have been) the car once owned by British comedian,
Ronnie Barker. This may be also the car mentioned to me in March 2007 by Cadillac
enthusiast, James Frohlich.
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9057 | ? | ? |
(1939) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was reportedly owned by A.C. Stowell of Roswell, NM |
9057 | ? | ? |
(1939) One was reported in New Mexico |
9057 | ? | ? |
(1940) This one is owned by Keith Hartley and was photographed by my friend Jim Butler at the Concours of the Eastern United States in Bethlehem, PA. The former owner was Carmine Zeccardi of NJ. |
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9057B | #2 | ? |
(1938) This car was recently discovered and acquired by owner-enthusiast, Dave Armbruster. It was advertised for sale by the Branson Museum in Missouri, in October 2010. Dave could not resist adding one more restorable V-16 to his growing collection. He did not buy the "9033" beside it, in the image below. |
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9057B | #6 | 5290294 |
(1938) Possibly was wrecked and chassis drive train used for another body style this car of which I got the pic from an enthusiast in England. Or possibly Fleetwood style #9057 (body #6). The car appears to be in fine shape. I'm surprised it has not been reported to me until now. Terry Wenger provided engine and body numbers. |
9057B | #6 [???] |
5270296 |
(1938) Formerly owned by CLC Member, Ed Farish then by Tom Crook who acquired it at the Auburn auction in Indiana, in 1987. Mr. Farish is keen to acquire a toy or scale-model depicting his car. I know that Rextoys (Switzerland) made one. |
9057B | ? | ? |
(1938) Anyone know the VIN and body number of this one, in Missouri?
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9057B | #1 | 5290048 |
(1939) Originally purchased by a Dr. Brinkley. In the early sixties, at the time CLC member the late Bill Tite prepared his roster of survivors, it was owned by D. French of San Antonio, TX. It was (later?) owned by twice CLC President, Ron Van Gelderen. I believe it is the car shown on p.19 of the Self Starter for August, 1966. The car is currently (2003) in CA. It features a gold-plated hood goddess, leather interior, rear seat clock and a custom Fleetwood trunk. I am informed by enthusiast-collector Rick Zeiger that he has recently (2005-06) acquired the Brinkley car. Congratulations! |
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9057B | #3 | 5290097 |
(1939) NEW, June 2014. Report just in from Ross Morgan in Perth, Australia: This 1939 Coupe was purchased in 2012 from a collector in Masontown, Pennsylvania. This is the 9057B style, which means it’s a 5 passenger coupe and instead of opera seats, has a full bench rear seat. It’s a much more practical car than the 2 passenger style (I’m not sure if I would like to sit on an opera seat for very long)! It’s a beautiful style - a big 141” wheelbase coupe with a long, bustle like rear trunk. I particularly like the coupes because being hardtop, they can be driven more often. The hot weather during summer here on the west coast of Australia, makes it uncomfortable to drive a convertible. This 39-9057B coupe was originally ordered with paint code “51”, black and 5 wheels (i.e., no side mounts) and optioned with license frames, and anti freeze. It was shipped in February 1939 to Spector Cadillac Motor Sales Inc, Syracuse NY. The coupe is currently unrestored. We can't wait to see it in the shop, Ross, before, during and after you've restored it. Don't worry if it's not yet "perfect"; you may still send a couple of photos to illustrate the kind of work you still have to tackle! |
9057B | #4 | 5290106 |
(1939) C. Houston, Jr. MI [CLC Directory, 2002] who has owned it since the '60s |
9057B | #5 | 5290116 |
(1939) Was acquired by the late Robert Keyaerts, a Belgian industrialist who assembled a fine private collection of older Cadillacs at his home, the Château de Planchoury in Langeais, Touraine, France. To honor their father's memory, his daughters, Magali and Geneviève, opened up the museum collection to the public. |
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9057B | ? | ? |
(1939) Also mentioned in AQ article? |
9057B | #1 | 5320028 |
(1940) In the early sixties, this one is listed in the survivors roster prepared at that time by CLC member, the late Bill Tite. It was owned by C.R. Schafer of Newton, Conn. This unique 1940 V16 coupe was offered for sale in the CLC Self Starter in March 1997, together with one of two Fleetwood style #9067 V16 convertible coupes ...for $650,000! The vendor was named as Ms. Jocelyn Alie of Montreal, Canada. The car was also offered for sale at a Kruse auction in August, 1996. It is said to have been built for a former President of Cadillac (Canada ?). The color is black. It was owned at one time by Robert Aubin who chromed the headlights and parking lights and who is known to put on his cars as many lights as possible. In 2002 it was reported to be in the ownership of a French-Canadian collector, Vic Tremblay (2003). Late Extra [10/2012]: the car was brought to my attention by my favorite "V16 sleuth", Chris Cummings; he saw it offered for sale on Internet. Only one of these was built in 1940; it is claimed that the car was ordered and owned at the time by William Knudsen, President of Cadillac Motor Car Division of GM, then of GM itself. He is said to have driven it to work every day (unverified assertion). |
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? 9057 9057B ? |
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(1938?) Anybody recognize this one? |
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V-16
owner-enthusiast, Terry Wenger says this about the V-16 coupes (ABOVE): these 9057's and
9057B's can get confusing. They are all called club coupes,
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9059 | #1 | 5270029 | (1938) G. Timoff, MI [CLC Directory, 2002 and 2003]. This info ties in with the listing prepared by the late Bill Tite in the early sixties. Late Extra [2/2009]: the car was offered for sale at auction, on Ebay, in Feb. 2009. In the same family and both garaged since 1959, this car and its mate (a 1939, style 9033 limousine #33) were offered at auction as a pair. This one had just under 22.5K miles on the odometer. It needs a lot of work. Its engine currently powers the other car. Neither car has been driven in the last 12 years. The vendor believes both cars to be complete. Latest [Feb. 10,2009]: Bidding topped out at $27,000 without meeting the vendor's reserve. |
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9059 | ? | ? | (1938) This one was photographed in the fifties. It looks like a police car, with a large siren mounted on the RH front fender. I wonder whatever happened to it.
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9059 | ? | ? |
(1938-39) Photographed on Ebay in 2008, this could
be also Fleetwood style 9033F
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9059 | #1 | 5270029 | (1938) (unknown) |
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9059 | ? | 5290114 |
(1939) This one was brought to my attention by a Cadillac Database user in June, 2001; it appears to be a special order (#SO6194). This car has been in Kansas for many years. It was painted and the interior refurbished circa 1992. In 2002, the mileage was 55,252. Thanks for the information Tom. A photo would be welcome, as also the engine and body numbers. Latest [3/2009]: It turns out the person who brought this one to my attention actually bought the car for himself ...and what a beauty it is! He kindly sent me this update, as well as the pics, below: I thought I'd finally update some V16 info I sent into the Database in 2001. This concerns the 1939 9059 5-passenger formal sedan I identified as Special Order Number 6194. As it turns out I purchased the car in 2002 then showed the it at the CLC Grand National in 2005. Since then we've been working on an engine and transmission rebuild, wiring, etc. It's back on the road and has set its sights on Vegas for the GN [Cadillac & LaSalle Club, Inc. annual "Grand National" meet] in 2009. The engine and chassis numbers match: 5290114. There is no info as to the intended recipient of the special order as that order was cancelled during assembly. The vehicle was then released into the GMAC pool and was delivered to a dealer in Buffalo, NY. Somehow it made its way to Kansas and into the hands of CLC member the late "Cadillac Jim" Pearson, who later sold it to Glenn Peterson; Glenn died in 1977. I bought it from the Peterson family. To visit my little V16 web site use this link: http://cadillacv16homepage.shutterfly.com. Also as concerns the twin V16s in Michigan recently for sale on Ebay [see VIN 5270029, above], I met a collector in Des Moines at the CLC GN in 2005 who recounted how his father was working to build the interstate highway in Michigan. He came across two V16 sedans in the woods, and adopted them. It seems these must be the same cars: he described one as a runner and one as parts car. Late Extra [6/2009]: Tom Keegan, the owner, had his car on show at the 2009 Cadillac and La Salle club Grand National meet in Las Vegas. I took some pics of it, below. |
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9059 | 1 | 5320027 |
(1940) V-16 owner, Doug Houston, brought this one to my attention in January, 2004. Doug remembered that Walt Sprague of Portage, MI has it and that it is in very nice condition. A former owner was Lowell Stuckman. Doug has a B&W snap of the car that he took at a Carnival of Cars meet in the early seventies. |
9059 | #2 | 5320031 |
(1940) This one was originally black. It is rumored to have been owned by Al Capone when he lived in Miami but this has never been authenticated. The body color was changed to maroon and a light-colored Burbank top were added, both at the suggestion of designer Alexis de Sakhnoffsky who lived in Atlanta, GA, at the time the car found a new home there, in the mid-sixties. The owner at that time (Mills B. Lane) had bought the car from Dr. Roy Keith of Raleigh, NC. It is now a part of the Collings Foundation of Stow, MA. |
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9067 |
#3 | 5270071 |
(1938) This
"rough but restorable" car was advertised in the Self-Starter in June
1966, p.14; it is currently (2005) owned by Irwin Sinclair of Australia, whom Gita and I
had the pleasure of meeting there, in March 2005. His car was featured in SS,
7/96.
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9067 | #2 | 5270095 |
(1938) This one was reportedly owned by the legendary Gary Cooper; it underwent a full restoration in California. In 2001, it was owned by Larry Harvey. According to Terry Wenger, it changed hands and entered the collection of Art Astor, in CA. Latest [June 29, 2008]: the car was sold for $616,000 (!!!) by RM Auctions at their June 2008 venue (Lot #158) when the Astor collection was dispersed. This is from the catalog description : An iconic movie star, Hollywood celebrity, and leading man Gary Cooper is purported to have been the first owner of this particular V16 Convertible Coupe, supposedly purchasing it at Hillcrest Motors in Beverly Hills. While there is presently no known conclusive documentation to support this, chassis 5270095 is well known to both enthusiasts and marque experts and has been consistently acknowledged as Gary Coopers car since the 1940s. In fact, it has also been regarded as such in Roy Schneiders definitive book on the V16 Cadillac ... After remaining under the same ownership since the 1950s and reportedly having spent its entire life in southern California, this Cadillac V16 eventually entered the esteemed collection of Larry Harvey. A show-quality, no-expense-spared restoration was conducted approximately four years ago by noted expert Bob Mosier and at great expense to its owner. Spectacular and show quality in every respect, the car went on to win second in its class at the Pebble Beach Concours dElegance. Following its appearance at Pebble Beach, the astounding Cadillac was acquired by the Astor Collection, where it has remained ever since. Finished in a very handsome maroon, the stately exterior presents beautifully and is simply spectacular in every respect. As is typical of a Mosier restoration, every element from the undercarriage to the engine bay was given the utmost, period correct attention to detail. The interior is beautifully upholstered and features two large jump seats in back, indicative of the Convertible Coupe body style. Showing less than 2,300 miles on its odometer, the cars overall condition is commensurate with its relatively recent Pebble Beach-quality restoration and the limited, periodic exercise it has received as part of the respected Astor Collection. |
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9067 |
#4 |
5270108 |
(1938) Former owner: Mr. Johnston A. Bowman of Evanston, IL [he had also a 1930-31 style #4335 roadster]; the color of this car is #6, that is Pelham gray body, with Desert Sand wheels, black top and black leather interior; there is a radio, vacuum antenna, heater and trunk-mounted spare. The initial cost of this car in 1938 was $5440; it was converted to Hydra-Matic, by the factory, in 1952 at a reported cost of $2139.82. Power steering was later added too and the car was repainted Champagne beige. It has no sidemounts. It was acquired in 1969 by Ron Van Gelderen, twice president of the Cadillac-LaSalle Club, Inc. (I saw it in the Self-Starter for Nov.-Dec. 1967, p.9). Ron sold the car in 1980. In 2002 it was located in Missouri (possibly CLC member, R. Smits [CLC Directory, 2002]). Car is now (2003) in Florida, with the same owner. |
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9067 |
#4 |
5270136 |
(1938) Now we have TWO cars with the same body number! Thisis CLC Senior car #83; it was owned by Gordon Cochran of Redmond, WA. the 2002 CLC lists it as belonging to J. Adelstein, NY. I had the pleasure of meeting Joel in Las Vegas, on the occasion of the 2009 "Grand National" meet there. He said this was the Gary Cooper car and provided the body number (#4) - I have a "Gary Cooper" car, above, with body #2 and VIN 5270095. At the Kruse auction venue in Auburn, IN, August 2000, this car was listed as lot #1078. It was described thus: V-16, gold exterior, brown interior - senior winner CCCA, senior badge CLC Inc., 1st place AACA, leather interior, manual transmission, 400 miles since frame -off restoration. The car found a new owner for $105,000. |
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9067 |
#1 | 5270140 |
(1938) Claimed to have a unique, Fleetwood Silverknights [Silver Knightstown ???] body, possibly made up and later advertised for sale by Sheldon J. Lewis of New York in the Self-Starter for February, 1967, pp.15-16; it was said to have only 14K miles and to have been in storage [at that time] for 21 years. Described as being in showroom condition inside and out, the car was metallic maroon with a white leather interior. Terry Wenger spoke to Christa Ficken, widow of Dave Ficken for whom two sixteens are listed here [under styles 9023 and 9053]; she said that Dave had looked at the car when Mr. Lewis had it for sale. The car is believed to be still on the East coast. The car was owned for a while by Sam Mann of Englewood, NJ (Self-Starter, October 1993, p.21). It is currently restored and owned by Carmine Zeccardi, NJ. |
9067 | #5 | 5270143 | (1938) According to Terry Wenger, this one was restored in the 70's by Joel McGurk of Virginia. It is possibly now only an engine (see VIN 5270215, below). |
9067 | #9 | 5270150 | (1938) A. Horley, CA [CLC Directory, 2002]. Mr. Horley sold the car in 2005. The new owner is Aaron Weiss. The red car is attributed also to Aaron; is it a second car or a repaint of the first one? |
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9067 |
#7 |
5270184 |
(1938) All 10 of the 1938 style #9067 Conv. Cpes. have been accounted for ... albeit with some duplication it seems?!?! This car is reported to carry body #7; the latter, is featured also in the Database with VIN 5270184; it belonged for a while to CLC Tech. Director, Don Frohlich, who later sold it to CLC radio specialist, Doug Houston. It was effectively last heard of in Canada, where it was last reported in 1989 ... so it could be the same car. There is no major difference between similar Fleetwood convertible coupe bodies mounted on V8 or V16 chassis for that year (and possibly also 1939 and 1940), so a body switch is possible. Note that on the 1938 V16 models the upper portion of the front and rear trim "spears" was painted body color; in the first photo, below, the "spears" are all-chrome. This car could be authenticated only if the VIN and body numbers match. What does our expert Terry Wenger think of it? The engine from this car required major repairs. Owner-enthusiast, Brent Merrill, who brought the car to my attention in 2011 is in contact with the owner of the car in these photos; it carries body #7. Its VIN however is 5270289. According to factory records, VIN 5270289 was first attributed to a Fleetwood style #9033 7p. imperial, bdy #76 (also currently unlisted in the Database); obviously the facts need to be checked out some more. The car in these photos was owned for 40 years by a Mr. James Kiser, in Wisconsin, so it's possible (although unlikely) it would not be listed in the Database as a survivor. Brent says there is a picture of it on page 110 of the Standard Catalogue of Cadillac 1903-2004 by John Gunnell. It's odd that it would be in the catalog and yet be an incorrect car. |
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9067 |
#8 |
5270195 |
(1938) This car was offered for sale on e-Bay in March, 2000; it was located in a museum [the Canton Auto Museum, Canton, OH?] where it had been on show for several years; it was purchased subsequently at an estate sale. In 2005 it was reported owned by a Spanish collector (residing in Spain), Sr. V. Grau. Late extra [4/2009]: the car was offered for sale by a Spanish dealer in collectible automobiles. No price was given. The car carries an "SO" number which may explain why it has some features that belong to the 1939 convertible coupe (e.g. bumper guards, tail-light "fin", all-chrome fender spears, steering wheel and [possibly] some interior trim). |
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9067 |
#5 |
[5270215] |
(1938) [NEW, 3/2009] This is the second car to have body #5 but possibly a different VIN. It came up for sale on Ebay and is an older restoration (40+ years); it has been in the same ownership for many years. The motor was rebuilt but the car not run for over 10 years. The original upholstery (believed to have been brown broadcloth) was replaced by vinyl. Vendor has some documentation on the car, dating back to circa 1950. The original color was green. The original engine apparently is on display in a museum in Connecticut. I don't have the actual engine number at this time. |
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9067 | #6 | 5270250 | (1938) Currently (2005) is in the Blackhawk collection, Danville, CA (per Terry Wenger) |
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5270276 |
(1938) This was offered as lot #717 at a Kruse auction (which year?); it was maroon and had undergone a frame-off restoration. Car has dual side-mounted spare wheels with rear-view mirrors attached. It is owned by R. Ames, TX [CLC Directory, 2002]. Late Extra (3/2006); the car was offered again and sold by RM, for $231K, during their Vintage Motor Cars at Amelia Island venue on Saturday, March 11, 2006. An excerpt from the catalog description reads as follows: This fine example was restored by Robert Aubin [of Quebec, Canada] several years ago, however it remains in virtual show condition. The depth of this convertible coupes beautiful maroon paintwork only accentuates its flowing lines, while inside its complementary rich red leather interior is not only luxurious, but also warm and inviting. Never judged, it remains almost flawless and ready to dazzle other connoisseurs of fine automobiles everywhere. While the factory buildsheet on this Cadillac indicates it left the factory as a coupe it is thought that at some point it was fitted with the convertible coupe body it retains today. The owner relates that the convertible coupe body is believed to be an original example [perhaps from a Series 75 with V-8 motor] and has been inspected by several marque specialists who have also confirmed this to be the case. As expected, the workmanship on this matching numbers example is so good that it is impossible to detect any flaws in the body change and it is truly a beautifully presented example. |
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9067 | ? | ? | (1938) J. Viau, Canada [CLC Directory, 2002] |
9067 | ? | ? | (1938) According to Terry Wenger, this one was formerly owned, in Florida, by the late Rick Caroll. It was painted medium green, with a tan top. |
9067 | #10 | ? | (1938) [unidentified] Image from a calendar page; apparently photographed at a classic car meet. Where? |
9067 | #3 | 5290069 | (1939) R. Hannay, AZ [CLC Directory, 2002, CCCA Bulletin 8/2003]; there was an excellent write-up about the second generation "Sixteens" in Hemmings Classic Car for Feb. 2007, including this car in particular. |
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9067 |
#2 | 5290074 |
(1939) Was
acquired by the late Robert Keyaerts, a Belgian industrialist who assembled a fine private
collection of older Cadillacs at his home, the Château de Planchoury in
Langeais, Touraine, France. To honor their father's memory, his daughters, Magali and
Geneviève, opened up the museum collection to the public. I believe it is now open only
for groups and upon application in advance.
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9067 |
#6 | 5290093 |
(1939) According to V-16 sleuth, Terry Wenger, this one was for sale by Hyman Ltd., in MO. Late Extra [Jan., 2008]: the car was offered again at auction, this time by RM auctions, at their Scottsdale AZ venue in Jan., 2008. It is believed to be one of just two known survivors [body #2 is in the Robert Keyaerts collection in France and body #3 is also listed here as a possible survivor]. According to a copy of the original Cadillac Shipping Order, the car was shipped on June 9, 1939 to dealer Claude Nolan Cadillac, in Jacksonville, Florida. The firewall still bears the original body tag. While the early history of this example is not known, it was part of the collection of "Carpet King" Ed Weaver of Dalton, Georgia at the time of his death. The current owner acquired the car at the auction of the Weaver Collection, and has maintained and upgraded it ever since. Most recently, it has benefited from a concours quality bare metal strip and repaint in its original black. A new top was fitted at the same time, piped in rich dark red leather to match the interior. The car is well equipped, with a set of Trippe driving lights, radio, clock and heater. RM auction results show that the car sold for $330,000! Latest [Mar., 2010]: the car was offered again at auction by RM at their Fort Lauderdale venue, March 2010, where it achieved a much lower sale price of $231,000 including the buyer's premium. |
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9067 | ? | 5290118 | (1939) The engine/chassis serial number for this car corresponds to V-16 style 9033; the original sedan body may have been swapped over for convertible coupe body by the restorer. The car is black with a red leather interior; it was advertised for sale on the Internet, in August 1995, by RM Classic Investments Inc., MI; the asking price at that time was $155,000. I saw a second ad for what I believe was the same car, offered for sale by the same vendor, one year later, in August 1996; this time the asking price was $33,000 "O.B.O." Quite a discount, no!?!? A similar car was again for sale at an RM auction at Amelia Island in 2001; was it this same car? Did it find a buyer? Terry Wenger believes Dick Kughn was a former owner. |
9067 | ?? | 3201218 | (1939) J. Bohmer, MN [CLC Directory, 2002] The VIN suggests the car is built on a V-8 chassis! ?? ??
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9067 | #1 | 5320030 | (1940) This car was restored by Harbor Restorations in Pompano Beach, FL. In 2001 it was owned by George Shelley of Fort Lauderdale, FL. It is black, with tan leather upholstery. It is unfortunate that someone added a fifties gold "V" on the trunk lid. Only two of these were built in 1940. Late extra (3/2005): At the RM auction sale in Amelia Island, SC, the car found a new home, for $313,500 ! |
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9067 |
#2 |
5320046 |
(1940) This one too was owned in the 60s by Louis Gravel of 347 Metcalfe Ave, Westmount, Quebec, Canada. At that time, Mr. Gravel also owned a style 9053 town car of the previous year (mentioned above). Both cars were acquired by Louis from Quebec's Donahue Paper Co. of Clermont; Donahue reportedly acquired it as a pre-owned model, from the head of a Chicago newspaper giant who was a client to whom he supplied newspaper bolts. In 1983-84 it was offered for sale by Jean-Claude Labrecque of Quebec, Canada, in the classifieds section of Cadillac Connoisseur, the magazine of the Cadillac Club International of Palm Springs, CA); the price at that time was a "mere" $45,000. Just fifteen years later, the convertible coupe was offered for sale in the CLC Self Starter (March 1997), together with the unique 1940 V-16 coupe (also listed on this page) for $650,000! The vendor was named as Ms. Jocelyn Alie of Montreal, Canada. Later I saw the car listed as being owned by another French-Canadian collector, Mr. Robert Aubin [Terry Wenger says the couple in fact are married]. Only two of these were built in 1940. One of them was offered for sale by the Kruse auctioneers in 1996. It was for sale in 2003 and according to Terry Wenger it is now owned by T. Kowalski of Colorado. I believe it was sold at Hershey for about half the original asking price ($363,000). According to V-16 enthusiast, Jon Riley, this one is owned currently by two guys from Kalamazoo, MI. They also own a blue and silver 1930-31 V-16, Fleetwood style 4260 special phaeton. |
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9067 | ? | ? | (1940) Is featured in the 2003 CLC directory as belonging to M. Blasinsky, PA; however, as only two of these cars were built in 1940, it is possibly one of the two preceding cars. |
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9039 9059 ??? |
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9019 9019F 9023 9033 |
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(1938) Sedan or limousine. Chris Cummings, a friend and keen V-16 enthusiast, pointed me to a posting from Frederik Larsen of Kastrup, Denmark, a satisfied customer of the Danish outfit, "Dream Machines". Here is an edited machine translation of the Danish original [any corrections or further editing are most welcome]. A dream has come true! After 7 years of searching I finally got the car I wanted. I had contacts with several other companies before I found "Dream Machines"; no others ever found the right vehicle, shown in these pictures. I saw for the first time a car like mine at a meeting in Sweden; at once I realized this was the dream car I wanted to own. I knew of the existence of such cars in Sweden, owned by the Swedish royal family from new; of course, they were not for sale. Some weeks later, there was a historic [car] show in Fredericia; "Dream Machines" had a booth there where enthusiasts could register for a car model in which they were interested. Dan registered my request with some surprise. After a few days, he contacted me saying that such a car would be very hard to find owing to the low production numbers and consequent current market rarity; but Dan promised to keep an eye out for any cars that matched my wants. I expected Dan would not be able to find my car, because no other firms had been able to find one, but after just over 1 ½ years of searching, Dan actually found 2 whole cars, with two different owners; neither of them wanted to sell. For over a year, Dan was in touch regularly with the owner of the car I had set my eyes on; suddenly he called me, late one Sunday evening and said that the seller was now motivated to sell the car and we had 2 days in which to act. I told Dan: GO GET THE CAR on Monday morning. Six weeks later the car arrived in the port of Aarhus [Denmark], directly from the Mojave Desert. Dan had promised me a completely rust-free car. After thoroughly examining it, I was positively surprised, over and over again, by its good condition; it was even better than promised. I am impressed with the performance of "Dream Machines" staff; they thought they would never find my car, and then they did! I was treated very professionally throughout and can only warmly recommend business dealings with "Dream Machines". |
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9033? | ? | ? |
(1939) Town car conversion by unidentified (?) French coach-builder; original ownership attributed to French theater and movie actor, Sacha Guitry. The car currently resides in the Keyaerts Cadillac Museum in Langeais,Touraine, France. |
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(1939) Imperial limousine, advertised for sale in California, February, 1963 |
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(1939) This limousine [style not specified] was offered for sale by auction by the Kruse organization as lot #328, in Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1/2001. Black exterior, gray interior, dual side mounts. The car was bid up to $39,000 but not sold. |
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(unk.) Imperial limousine, St. Regis green with dark green leather ; this one was offered for sale by auction (Kruse), in August, 1996 |
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(1939) Limousine shown in Photo Album of Cadillac Connoisseur, Vol. 23:5 (1983-84), p.10; was owned by Carl Wishek of Lodi, CA. |
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(1939) Limousine offered for sale in August 1996 by Stahl Motor Co., CA |
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(1939) Limousine offered for sale by the Kruse organization in August 1996; this car is from the former Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg Museum where it spent eleven years. |
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(1939) From the former Harrah's collection, this car was offered for sale at Auction in Dallas, 1996 [Kruse] as lot #200. Reported to be in condition #1 it was bid up to only $29,000. |
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(1939) Offered twice at
auction in the last 4-5 years, this one was described as having a CCCA Senior badge; with
only 38,000 miles it is a totally original car although the engine was rebuilt in 1992
(?). It has the black leather in the chauffeur's compartment and tan cloth in the rear
compartment. Rated as an 82-point car it was bid to $40,000 [as lot #595] then to $44,000
[as lot #857] |
? | ? | 5320412 |
(1940) Offered by the Kruse auctioneers as lot #935 (what year?), this is a black limousine (no style number was listed); the engine serial number must be erroneous as those used for the Sixteens of 1940 only went up to 5320061 |
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(1940) Back in the mid-seventies, Lyle Saunders [a namesake who owns a 1934 V-16 Town Car] said he had a friend in Davenport, Iowa, who owned a 1940 V-16 sedan. |
? | ? | ? | (1938) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was owned by James Menger of Milwaukee, Wis. |
? | ? | ? | (1938) On the listing prepared by the late William "Bill" Tite in the Self Starter, March 1963, an unidentified V-16 style was owned by David Hardcastle of St. Louis, MO. |
? | ? | 5290120 | (1939) This spare engine was owned by a friend and V-16 aficionado in RI; neither he nor I knew what body style it powered in 1939! Late Extra [Dec. 2007]: Terry Wenger checked it out and told me it was mounted originally in a 39-9023 with body #15. He said that the engine is now used in CLC member, Richard Long's 39-9033, body #26 (see this roster). |
? | ? | ?? | Two V16 engines survive [no details available] |
[Unk.] | ? |
? | In some correspondence exchanged in the 70s between Stan Squires and presumed owners of 1934-37 V-16 models, I found a note from a Robert L. Chamberlin, stating that he owned both a 1938 and 1939 V-16. He did not specify the body styles nor the engine numbers. These cars may already be listed here. |
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5290126 |
(1939) Special Derham town car built for Mrs. Henry B. DuPont [of DuPont de Nemours chemical Wilmington, DE]. The car was used well into the sixties ('41 Cadillac owner and enthusiast, Chris Cagle, told a friend in 2005 that he had a letter from Mr. duPont, from 1966, saying he still had the town car in his possession. Mrs. DuPont had also a '41 Fleetwood style 7533F formal limousine (#3341186) which Chris was able to buy when it had only 12K miles on the odometer. Late extra [Dec. 2007]: Terry Wenger confirmed that the car was still owned by the DuPont family. Latest [March, 2008]: I was contacted by "Jim", the son of the person who maintained the car until he passed away in 1992; Jim, took over the job from his dad but reports that the car has been laid up for 6 years owing to bad manifolds and the broken promises of a company called MTF, USA who were paid for parts but never delivered them nor returned the old ones. Any help getting this car running again would certainly be appreciated by the DuPont family. |
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Custom | ? | ? | (1939) The 2nd bare V-16 chassis released in 1939 also got a custom town
car body by Derham of Rosemont. It may not have survived.
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Custom | ? | 5320015 | (1940) Special town car by Derham, owned by E. Abagnale of NJ. [Photos anyone ?] |
Custom | ? | 5320042 | (1940) Special coupe by Derham. Was last reported in the
collection of Jack Nethercutt [Merle Norman products], in 1986. I suspected that this car might have begun
its life as a regular Fleetwood style #9057B; Terry Wenger doubts it; he believes it is a
full Derham custom job. The first
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Engine | ? | 5270034 | (1938) V16 owner and enthusiast, Doug Houston, has this spare engine block since the early sixties. It came from Sam Adelstein's junkyard in Mt. Vernon, NY. He believes a good welder could fix the cracks in the casting and that some of the damaged cylinders could be sleeved. NOW, we proceeded to finally remove the crating pieces that hid the numbers on the other block. This is the one that I got from (the late) Don Frolich in California, probably 30 years ago. It is supposed to be in pretty good shape. The heads were chromium plated (You've seen it, Terry). I received it disassembled, with crank and cam (as on the other one), most, if not all rods, no valves. Some idiot had ground stock off some of the rods, to lighten the reciprocating mass. BUT NOW, here's the joker! There is no broadcast number on the block. There is only an engine unit number where the serial (broadcast) number would be. That number is: 5L180. We speculate that this engine was not installed in a production car. Otherwise, there would have had to show a serial number! We already know that there were some V16 engines that were not used in car chassis, and now, I wonder if this would be one of them. This engine had come to Don Frolich when he bought a '38(?) 90 coupe, not long before he died. He offered me the block and parts, as he figured that he wouldn't need them. Later, he lamented having let the block go, so perhaps the one in the coupe was bad, but I never learned the details. I'm not sure that Don knew anything about the origin of the block. This was a real surprise, to put it mildly! |
Engine | ? | 5270184 | (1938-1940?) Doug has also this second spare block. Terry Wenger, who has done much of the research on the surviving second-generation sixteens, tells me that the engine came from the late Don Frolich. It used to power 38-9067 convertible coupe, body #7. The latter car is still rumored to exist, but the current engine number is not known. After Don offered Doug the block and parts, figuring that he wouldn't need them, he lamented having let it go! |
These cars still need to be ID'd and
tied to their proper owner
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1 In the absence of factual information on engine and body numbers, some of the cars
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